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Get over yourself people , how much self importance are we gonna add to our selves to even think that WE as puny humans can do such a feat as saving the planet. I am sure the Dinosaurs thought they were here for ever , that is untill Mother EARTH got tired of taking thier crap , shook herself off and got rid of those messy , destructive creatures . And I am sure that Mother Earth will one day get tired of our crap and do the same thing , just shake herself off of us and start all over again with a whole new breed . Yea we can do , what ever we can to keep it clean and maybe last a little longer , but sooner or later she is gonna say enough is enough you have taken more then I can give , oil , coal , gold , water should we keep going ? that is the day that Mother Earth will bid GOOD BYE , and that will be the end of our sorry butts . Nothing that any human in this whole world even the POPE can do , to save us when the time comes , that Mother earth wants us gone.
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Did a google on 'misterfifteen' and see there is a little more info on this guy, from a fan club website about the book he likes. At least we have his email address now, assuming he survives having been shot. Might want to put him in touch with the radioactive boyscout so the two of them can chat it up a bit.
Group Name World Guardian Voices City, State San Diego, CA Description I have a good idea about how to save the world. I need a few people to help me. I would like to meet prospective candidates who are as motivated as I am. We are also having a general meeting December 29th 2006 at the Joyce Beers Community Center in San Diego. Please bring yourself and your friends. Contact Person Lee E-Mail Address email@example.com Phone Number (760) 612-4309 EGroup/Web Address http://www.worldguardianvoices.com
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ufccagerattler wrote:I haven;t read all his posts yet but this fellow seems a trifle unstable.
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By Vasko Kohlmayer
Friday, May 11, 2007
most remarkable aspect of the man-made global warming claim is the lack
of solid scientific evidence for it. Yet there are those whose apparent
goal it is to advance this theory at all costs. Blatant in their
disregard of the facts,
they try to convince as many as would believe of the real nature of
this alleged danger. But since this activism does not rest on
scientific evidence or hard facts, it must be driven by motives other
than those publicly stated. This much at least should be obvious, but
sadly far too many people have failed to make this inference. Blinded
by fear, they have not considered the possibility that those fanning
the flames of hysteria may harbor ulterior motives.
To see just
what those motives may be, we need to go no further than Mikhail
Gorbachev whose remarkable political transformation offers a striking
insight into the true character of the man-made global warming movement.
leader of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev is now one of the world's
most vocal global warming activists. This is an unlikely role indeed
for a man who during his years in power showed no inclination to
address environmental issues. This could not have been for lack of
opportunity, given that he presided over a country which suffered from
extensive ecological damage wrought by years of gross disregard and
mismanagement. Had he had the inclination, there was much to do about
the lamentable state of his country's environmental condition.
Gorbachev, however, not only did nothing, but brazenly continued the
Soviet regime's ecologically disastrous policies.
revealed his true attitudes more glaringly than the explosion of a
nuclear reactor at Chernobyl. His first reaction was not to launch a
clean-up operation, but to conceal the fact. Initially he denied that
anything happened at all. Then, when radioactive clouds reached
countries hundreds of kilometers away, he claimed that it was only a
'minor' accident. It was only under the pressure of growing evidence
that Gorbachev finally admitted the truth. While mounting the cover-up,
the time and energy that could have been used to contend with the
unfolding ecological catastrophe were irretrievably lost. But that was
not all, for Gorbachev also decided to sacrifice the lives of thousands
whom he refused to evacuate or even notify of the danger. Scores died
and countless others suffered from diseases caused by exposure to
radiation. Many could have been saved had Gorbachev done the decent
thing. Chernobyl thus stands as tragic evidence of Gorbachev's disdain
both for nature and human life which, sadly, is all too often found in
those who espouse the communist worldview.
Yet today this man is
one of the world's most prominent eco-lobbyists and an ardent proponent
of global warming. The question is how we are to reconcile Gorbachev's
past behavior of environmental destructiveness with his present-day
activism. We would do well to ponder this, because the answer sheds
light not only on a wily personal reinvention, but also on the motives
of those responsible for the creation and spreading of the global
The many interviews and statements made by
Gorbachev since the collapse of the Soviet Union offer important clues.
What they essentially reveal is that despite the ignominious fall of
communism, Gorbachev has not changed his basic ideological convictions.
In other words, this life-long party apparatchik remains an unrepentant
communist to this day. This should surprise no one, since people rarely
change their thinking later in life, especially if they are as willful
and ideologically driven as Gorbatchev apparently was. After all, it
was his ideological rigor that enabled him to successfully negotiate
the dangerous waters of Soviet politics and emerge as his country's
supreme leader barely a week after his fifty-fourth birthday.
ejected from power less than seven years later, he faced a challenge.
Unwilling to retire, he needed to find a new outlet for his political
energies. This posed a problem, because Gorbachev could not afford to
openly fly the banner of his communist convictions, since a declaration
of allegiance to this well-discredited ideology would have resulted in
his marginalization if not ridicule.
To remain credible,
Gorbachev had to look for a more respectable platform from which to
continue his efforts. This he quickly found in environmentalism and
less than two years after his fall from power he founded Green Cross
International, a Geneva-based eco lobby group.
It is not at all
surprising that Gorbachev--like so many others on the left--has found
environmentalism so attractive given that it in a furtive way tends
toward the very essence of socialism. It is precisely this covert
quality that makes this brand of activism so palatable to true
believers in the post-communist era.
tendencies are already inherent in its starting premise which is that
this world is headed for destruction because of the way modern
societies conduct their life and affairs. The principal culprits are
the business enterprise--whose relentless pursuit of profit has
ecologically devastating consequences--and the masses whose excessive
and irresponsible consumption exacerbate the already precarious
situation. The only way to avert the looming catastrophe, then, is to
rein in the greedy business and direct people's behavior in
environmentally conducive ways. This naturally can only be done by a
government properly equipped for the great task at hand. The net result
of environmental activism is thus an empowered state exercising close
oversight over the business and private spheres. In Marx's parlance,
the means of production--and indeed nearly aspects of societal
life--are placed under state control. This is nothing if not socialism
rising, and since it also happens to be something Gorbachev has been
striving for all of his life, it should come as no surprise that he has
been an enthusiastic proponent ever since Marxism-Leninism became a
byword for failure.
But while even the most basic forms
environmentalism have proven themselves to be a potent vehicle for
advancing socialist ideals, the potential of global warming has
exceeded almost all expectations in this regard. All of the elements of
the harrowing scenario it so vividly paints--its global scope, its
imminence, its catastrophic potential--point toward the need for
immediate and drastic measures on a wide scale. It should not take very
long to realize that such a comprehensive response can only be mounted
by a state armed with vast powers to decree, to regulate and to tax,
powers which the devotees are only too eager to grant.
precisely for these reasons that the idea of man-made global warming so
appeals to Mikhail Gorbachev who never did anything for the environment
when he was in the position to do so. It is as paradoxical as it is
revealing that this man who now parades as an angel of ecological
salvation is by virtue of his actions at Chernobyl and elsewhere
responsible for more environmental destruction than any other person
The case of Mikhail Gorbachev carries an outstanding
educational value, because it shows what the global warming alarmism is
ultimately about. The glaring deceitfulness and duplicity on display
here could well serve as emblems for the whole movement whose real
objectives are sharply at variance with its promulgated goals.
can only regret that President Reagan is no longer around to admonish
Gorbachev for his spurious activism in the same way he chastised him
for his dictatorial high-handedness by the Berlin Wall. One can almost
picture Ronald Reagan standing in Kyoto's main square rebuking this old
Mr. Gorbachev, if there is any honesty left in
your heart, take off your mask. Do not exploit lies to further your
devious agenda. Tell us candidly what your goals are so that we can
have an honest debate. Stop erecting those bogus smokescreens and stop
scaring the gullible with pseudo-science. Mr. Gorbachev, take off that
ugly green mask.
And so should the whole man-made global warming lobby.
and raised in former communist Czechoslovakia, Vasko Kohlmayer is a
naturalized American citizen. His work has appeared in The Baltimore
Sun, The Washington Times, Frontpage magazine, The American Thinker,
The Jewish Press, RealClearPolitics, and others. Email Kohlmayer at firstname.lastname@example.org
© American Thinker 2007
Sep 1 10 2:42 PM
That Guy wrote:ufccagerattler wrote:I haven;t read all his posts yet but this fellow seems a trifle unstable.
Just a trifle?
Sep 1 10 3:01 PM
Naw, the guy hadn't posted to this thread for over two years. He's been on a collision course with reality for longer than when he started this thread. That's a bit of a lengthy read about Gorbachev - not really on topic but it does reveal (for those who aren't already keenly aware) that radical environmentalism generally goes hand-in-hand with Marxist socialist ideology since both have their roots in altruism.
Who is John Galt?
Sep 1 10 3:07 PM
Lurker23333 wrote:Naw, the guy hadn't posted to this thread for over two years. He's been on a collision course with reality for longer than when he started this thread. That's a bit of a lengthy read about Gorbachev - not really on topic but it does reveal (for those who aren't already keenly aware) that radical environmentalism generally goes hand-in-hand with Marxist socialist ideology since both have their roots in altruism.
Who is John Galt?
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Sep 1 10 5:49 PM
When reached in Houston on Wednesday afternoon, Quinn told TBD that
he had never heard of Lee, and his wife could not recall any type of
correspondence from him.
"Good God," Quinn said. "Well, I'm certainly surprised and distressed
that he had somehow or other taken my book as a model for this kind of
When asked what he would tell Lee if he could talk to him, Quinn
said: "I guess I would ask him what he thinks he's doing and what he
thinks he's accomplishing and then go from there. What's in his mind is
what's paramount right now. Sort of wish I could talk to him."
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